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Wikivisual, Can you please hear me out once and foreall? I watch all the articles I begin, and over the last few years, those few times you do add screenshots or change screenshots, it seems like you aren’t watching out for the best of articles. You have changed numerous screenshots on articles that needed a major update and even added bad ones (where I doubt you had someone who had the rights to create them).

Let’s take for instance these screenshots: . I ended up reverting them. It’s doubtful that someone on the team has the rights to edit book data when they show inaccurate fields that don’t exist…

Or let’s take this one : A whole new article could be created - it’s doubtful the imager actually read over the article and took the actions described in each step. They show a process that can create a whole new article in its entirety.

Also, I was not too fond of the ones here . It seems like there’s a pattern existing with this account. This about a wikiHow mobile tool - and could’ve been easy to screenshot, had this account taken the screenshots step-by-step and imaged as they came.

The other day I actually ended up talking to JayneG about an article. The team replaced decent screenshots with generic screenshots - making the article worse. The bad stats for this article’s pictures come from an outdated article showing bad screenshots but can’t be fixed in 2020 because it has no “vote ballotting” to update it with. https://www.wikihow.com/index.php?title=Cast-an-Official-MLB-All-Star-Game-Ballot&type=revision&diff=28487415&oldid=26262305

I asked the other day if someone could look over and update some information on another article because I feel you created other generic images . These weren’t removed and only needed someone to double-check.

Can we get feedback from the team with a promise that they’ve done some research and at least taken things step-by-step as they imaged these steps because these generic ones are useless. (I’ve got some bad terminology that isn’t family-friendly in mind, but useless is okay for this situation.) I feel like I’m not being listened to from this Wikivisual team in its entire form now - something I trusted years ago, and without really a moment to give to imaging myself, I can’t really do much to help on the replacements or editing of the article’s I’ve began over the years.

I end up creating, adjusting, waiting for someone to boost, then onto the next article I begin, and things go cyclically around in a circle. I can’t trust @Wikivisual and wish not to be associated with them until they clean up their act.

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I’m going to tack a question onto this for staff that’s more related to the Unit Guardian article specifically… Isn’t Wikivisual supposed to not take screenshots for wikiHow-related articles? Because I saw them upload screenshots to an article about the wikiHow forums the other day that were also pretty bad, and I remember Anna explicitly telling me that we don’t have Wikivisual add images to wikiHow-related subjects because they don’t have access to the tools needed (and frankly, from what I saw with the forum article, they had absolutely no grasp on what they were even supposed to be screenshotting). Why has this changed?

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I remember Jayne telling me some time ago when I requested screenshots to a wikiHow article to take them by myself… some visuals on wikiHow articles are no good.

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Thanks for the specific links and feedback, @EpcotMagic . I know it can be frustrating when you work so hard on articles and the images that come bacl don’t reflect them appropriately. Thomas in the visual team looked over each of these individually, and it seems they were done by the same screenshotter who was operating under misguided assumptions about our research policies and the importance of specificity in images. Wherever possible, these articles will get revised images. We appreciate you bringing this to our attention.

@anon74718567 , that may be an unwritten rule! It seems wikiHow articles were added to the visual queue simply because they were on the site without images, it wasn’t that they were requested by someone. I generally recommend wikiHowians take their own screenshots for wikiHow articles because it’s often the best way to get accurate screenshots, so it could definitely make sense to turn this into official policy:slight_smile:

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