Can the community please provide their input on this message posted by an anon visitor. It talks about suicide: http://www.wikihow.com/index.php?title=Discussion%3ATie-a-Hangmans-Noose&diff=8751584&oldid=6855140
The article is ‘Tie a Hangmans Noose’. This article was created for educational purposes and NOT for motivating suicides AT ALL. EDIT: I have marked this edit as patrolled in RCP. If such messages are not fit for a community like wikiHow, we can revert it after discussion.
system
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I would rather not read a post like that, and would actually prefer to remove it, but it is a legitimate discussion, and it is relevent to the content of the article, so I don’t believe I would have removed it, personal opinion aside. I don’t think there is a policy against directing a discussion in such a negative way and there isn’t any way to guage whether the post was a case of trolling or poor taste or it is sincere.
Oh this should be good…
OK, put a message on the discussion page. There isn’t anything in the article on how to kill yourself, you’d have to do so much more to hang yourself, and the article is pretty much only useful for decorations.
June Days
A bit unrelated, but I think there should be a clear concise note on the actual article that the content isn’t meant to promote suicide. Suicide is becoming more common nowadays and people will go to any source to find ways on how to kill themselves. However, I wouldn’t have removed that post since it doesn’t seem to violate any existing policy.
Omniomi
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Although I have a feeling this user is trolling it should always be assumed that a suicide threat is in fact valid. The user should be contacted and directed to a suicide hotline, an online community like http://www.reddit.com/r/suicidewatch
, etc. http://www.iasp.info/resources/Helping_Someone/
http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/whattodo.htm
The article has no real information on how to kill yourself. You’d need a huge rope (or material) and do a lot more than just tie a knot. Like Omniomi said, every suicide threat should be taken seriously, and it would be a horrible thing if someone died because of our articles, but like I said…No real info on how to literally hang yourself. June Days
system
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If we start deleting… there are more like this… http://www.wikihow.com/Tie-a-Noose
- I actually researched and wrote this one back a while ago… it was a request. http://www.wikihow.com/Build-a-Gallows
- This one includes lots of warnings about illegality and the probability of getting into trouble if you actually make one.
I prefer removing the comment as no one will get any suicidal ideas after reading that comment and as far deleting the article is concerned , I am strictly against it as the one who wants to do suicide will have many options to accomplish a successful suicide and being skillful is their choice.
I’m for deleting such articles. wikiHow shouldn’t even bring the idea of suicide in the minds of our readers.
Tying a noose relates no more to suicide than guns do (which we have a lot of aritcles on- http://wikihow.com/Make-A-Real-Gun
), because according to Wikipedia, it’s only the second most common suicide method in the US, next to firearms.
Hmm all it takes is one bullet !
Omniomi
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Are people seriously under the impression that someone so distraught that they’re going to attempt suicide is going to care about tying the perfect hangman noose and that they’d use a guide to do it? People with suicidal tendencies think about suicide a lot but the moment when it actually happens is usually sudden and the method is the easiest one available. Guns are the most common because so many people have guns available to them, people don’t go out and buy a gun to commit suicide, they commit suicide with guns they already own. You can make a rope dangerous with any knot, you’re not going to care about a 13 wrap hangman knot. The people who are going to care about tying it properly are going to be using it for decoration at Halloween, as an accent to macabre dolls, or for macabre art or anglers. Get rid of the bit about the effectiveness of breaking the neck from the intro and there is nothing wrong with the article. The knot itself won’t break the neck anyway, only a long enough drop in conjunction with the knot will. If you watch Pierrepoint: The Last Hangman there is serious science behind execution by hanging to calculate the weight of the individual, the musculature of their neck, and the drop required. Suicide by hanging is only common where other options are not available (prison for example). The stat someone posted about the #2
method being by suffocation includes all forms of suffocation including running a car in the garage. Sorry for the rant, but please… calm down.
system
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I would love for you to come back to this thread in about a year and rethink of why you decided to write this during that time & if that "
" still means anything. I fully support Omni’s post and do not support deletion for any rope article here. It’s the exact same thing as OD’ing. People tend to do it with things they already have. They don’t go out shopping with a specific list for things. Suicide is not just guns and ropes. Jumping in front of trains, cars, etc or off buildings… those are also sudden motions.
Hmmm I got to wait for a year!
But will write what I am thinking now. wikiHow- How to do _anything_Anything- No you can’t write anything you want! We got nfd’s. Kid’s friendly- There are articles only oriented for adults only like sex, increasing libido, using handcuffs during sex… etc well the list is long. Its about time wikiHow revise its policies because this kids friendly stuff is not at all helping, when it comes to non- member readers. Diverting stuffs like that to an adult type app will be a good idea. Suicide- It completely depends on the individual on how they use an article to kill themselves. You can’t just delete articles to avoid the idea of suicide just like Omniomi said. However the article about making a gun is potentially an unsafe article. I am thinking how it survived? While making or during a self made gun tryout anything can happen, either the bullet hits you, your friends, cause an accidental fire, kill someone, hits someone in the family. Well this is how I quote
Because all it takes is one bullet to kill someone or yourself, either its accidental , suicidal or anything. andis because the article survived even after being an potentially ultra harmful article.
system
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How about no. wikiHow is not a “kid site”, despite the readership. It’s a complete failure to deter adults from such just because of this.
I was actually referring to the "" and your decision to tack it on, to form one’s opinion that the entire statement was a joke.
Yep that’s what I meant! The article although being a potentially ultra harmful article survived and it just looked more like a joke to me that we are discussing about ropes and a an article which is far more potentially dangerous then this article continues to rule.
I don’t think the article should be deleted, because in theory, we’d have to delete every article that could possibly turn into a method of suicide. I agree with Omni - suicidal people act in the moment. It’s a silent suffering, thinking about it, but it’s an “of the moment” act.
Ttrimm
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You guys are just being ridiculous. You can kill yourself with a rope and NO knots if you want to. Keep it up and this thread will be locked,
Ttrimm
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Also, genius knight, you are trolling. I suggest you stop
Also Genius Knight,
Think before you talk. =/ June Days
