For quite some time, the NFD Guardian backlog has been pretty high with around 2000 articles awaiting their fate and dozens more still waiting to enter the process. What should we do… do we call arms to it and get more people voting, or try a different strategy? Hypothetically, would it be “appropriate” to override the normal NFD process and just delete articles right on the spot? My reasoning is to avoid adding to the cycle while working on the backlog. On various occasions, I’ve come across articles in NFD Guardian that even meet the requires for speedy deletion but are still tagged as NFD. Furthermore, to quicken the process, we could weed through all the current NFDs
and speedy delete a few of them (under the regular speedy requirements, as well as the adv/not/jok/sex NFD reasons). According to the New Admin Welcome Package
, under the Delete section, it states: “ There is no absolute right or wrong - we trust the judgment of our admins. The only real guiding document here is the deletion policy. Beyond that, if you believe that something is entitled to speedy deletion, based on the NFD reasons and, on some occasions, wider moral, ethical and illegality reasons, then you are within your rights to delete an item.
” Does this still apply? I realize that this is a bit unorthodox and inconsistent with our guidelines concerning article deletion, but if you think about it, the amount of NFDs right now blocks our path towards quality. If anyone has ideas on how to tackle this backlog, by all means, share.
Yes, I think we need more people to vote. Maybe we could give some more experienced members who are not boosters or admins to take a test, and if they pass, they’d be able to use the NFD Guardian. Maybe this would just be too complicated, but it’s my only idea. :\
Personally, I think we need to start tagging articles that should be tagged as speedy. I think it’s a bit silly to have an article that can just be deleted on the spot wait for 2 weeks (at the least) only to be voted as a delete!
^ That’s exactly what I’m thinking. I think the issue is not too many people know what constitutes as a speedy and just use the NFD as a general tag for “get this article off the site”.
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I think this is a slippery slope because it often depends on the judgement of the person reading the article. Sometimes you see an article and you think, duh, this should be gone right now. But odds are there is someone who disagrees, with a legit reason. I guess I’m worried about a whole slew of articles getting deleted just to drive down the backlog. I trust admins like @Illneedasaviour
to exercise good judgement here, but I don’t think we should go on a speedy template frenzy or anything
maybe we can let some contributors who seem to be familiar with our deletion policy use NFD Guardian? Not just boosters and admins? That might help the high backlog.
I totally agree. I wasn’t trying to say “everybody just automatically delete articles if they have an NFD slapped on them,” I just wanted to say “if it really constitutes as a speedy, don’t be shy to put the template on.”
And, leave a note for the tag placer when you’re changing the NFD to a speedy? Like, “You could have put a {{speedy}} on this one since it’s blatant spam.”
That’s what I do when I see that happen, yes
I’m not a huge fan of the speedy template since it kills articles before they have a chance to develop. The one week wait for the NFD process saves many articles that would otherwise die on day 1. I am a big fan though of admins using their best judgement to go through NFDs that were tagged more than 1 week ago and deleting or saving articles as they see fit. Admins have always had the power to do that and now with the NFD backlog so high, I think it makes sense for folks to get more active doing itOur admins have exceptional judgement and I think the whole wiki would benefit if one or two started doing this to work this backlog down. Similarly, we need more admins going through NFD guardian since you ultimately need at least 1 admin vote to keep or delete an article via that tool. NABers alone can’t make deletions happen there.
This. I’m all for this. Some NFDs have been tagged for weeks and I’d like to help out in clearing the list. Thanks for the feedback
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Why are so many votes required to delete something if one person has voted to keep it? From my quick glance at the NFD guardian it’s starting to look like someone’s just gone through clicking “keep” on everything. As a result of this, it needs a lot of people to vote if something needs to be deleted. If one admin and one booster vote is enough to delete an article normally, I don’t understand why so many additional votes are necessary to counter a single vote to the contrary. From where I’m sitting, it looks like the only problem here is that one person has the power to cause so much extra work. I suspect that most, if not all, of this backlog has been caused by this.
