When I was patrolling inuse tags, I noticed something that has been bugging me for some time that I think should be changed. The issue is that the talk page message for the inuse template has some problematic instructions in it in the second part. To explain this better, I’ll include that part of the template here (I’ve bolded the problematic part):

I’ve left it alone for now, but please remove the template if you are done editing the article, or refresh the date by following the instructions on the tag itselfif you plan to continue editing the article in the near future.

As you can see, the template clearly says that you can refresh the date on the inuse tag “by following the instructions on the tag itself”. This would be correct, except for the fact that the {{ inuse }} tag itself does not actually have any instructions on refreshing the date.

I checked the history of the template, and it appears that it used to have instructions on how to refresh the date, but those instructions were removed in 2008 here . The edit summary says that contributors supported the change of wording on the template, but I could not find the forum thread that is referenced, so I have no way to tell what the reasoning behind it was (or if there even was an intention to remove those instructions). It’s possible that the instructions on refreshing the date were accidentally removed.

I think that having instructions on refreshing the date in the inuse tag would be a good idea, and it would help new editors and students. Because of this, I think that adding these instructions on how to refresh the date back to that template would be a good idea, since it would help new editors and college students who often use those tags.

I think that the best way to do this would be to add the following sentence: “If you are the editor who added this tag, then you can refresh this date by removing this tag, saving the page, and then adding it back again.” at the end of the tag, so that the new inuse tag text would say:

As a courtesy, please do not edit this article while this message is displayed. This notice was placed on {{{date}}}. If this was over two weeks ago, please contact the editor who added this notice to see if they are finished with the article before removing the tag. The editor will be listed in the article’s edit history. If there is no response from them within 5-7 days, anyone may remove the tag. If you are the editor who added this tag, then you can refresh this date by removing this tag, saving the page, and then adding it back again.

I think that these instructions are easy to understand and follow, and take up very little space. While this would create an extra edit that would have to be patrolled, the edit would be really easy to review, and overall, I don’t think that it would significantly increase the work that patrollers would have to do. I’m not entirely set on the placement of the new sentence though, so if anybody has any different suggestions, then please elaborate on them bellow.

What do you think of this idea?

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I see no reason this can’t be implemented it would surely as you mentioned help students and new editors who are very confused on that subject.

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Sounds like a good change to me. Another way to “refresh” it is to manually change the date of the tag in edit mode.

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I definitely agree that this would be a helpful change.

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I don’t even manually change the date on inuse tags - I just delete the existing |date=yyyy-mm-dd on the tag and then publish it. It updates the date on its own. We could advise that too:slight_smile:

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I was thinking about that too, but I didn’t know if the instructions would be too complex. If you think that it would be a good idea, we could instead have the instructions say, “If you are the editor who added this tag, then you can refresh this date by editing the article, and deleting the part that says, ‘|date={{{date}}}’ after {{inuse”.

We could also add an edit link over the text that says, “editing the article”, and that link could be specially formatted to prefill the edit summary with “refreshing inuse tag”, but that would just be something extra, and is not required.

I believe that adding these instructions would require some special wikitext (since I think that pipes need to be added to templates in a special way), but if you think they are a good idea, then I could write the wikitext and then post it here.

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Okay, here is what the wikitext on the modified instructions would look like (I’ve only included the sentence that I’m proposing be added):

If you are the editor who added this tag, then you can refresh this date by [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit&summary=refreshing%20inuse%20tag}} editing the article], and deleting the part that says, “{{!}}date={{{date}}}” after (nowiki){{inuse.(/nowiki)

The parentheses around the nowiki tags are suppose to be carrots, but Discourse won’t display it correctly, so I substituted them.

I’ve added the optional edit link, but it can be easily removed.

You can see and example of this template on Template:Sandbox . And you can see an example of it on an article on the Sandbox . Please note that following the steps to refresh the tag on this example tag won’t work, since the system won’t automatically add the date input to the sandbox template. But it would work if this was integrated into the actual inuse template.

Do you think this proposal is better than the original proposal?

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Does anybody have any feedback on which version they prefer?

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I prefer the second one over the original.

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Does anybody else have any feedback. I think that we have enough for a consensus for my original proposal, but there does not appear to be enough feedback on the second version to approve it. If I don’t get any more replies by Thursday, then I will work to get my original proposal implemented, unless anyone has any objections.

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I also prefer the second one over the first, like @EJQuotes .

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This second proposed change has now been implemented. Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts!

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