I am a wikiHow editor (and someone who is LGBTQ), yet I occasionally need help with youth and relationship-related problems and go to WH for help.

In WH articles, I don’t notice a lot of gender-inclusiveness. To begin, the LGBTQ+ category is referred to as LGBT, which excludes people of other genders and sexualities. In articles, I frequently observe a lot of cisnormativity; ‘he/she’ is commonly used instead of ‘they.’ Take the article “How to: Take Care of Black Girls’ Hair”, there are transgender/enby AFAB people who are female but not a woman/girl and still have to take care of our hair(such as myself).

There is a lot of hetero normativity and sexuality inclusivity. For example, in the article “How to: Be a Good Wife,” it’s assumed that you’re a woman married to a man and refers to your ‘spouse’ as he/him. When I was revising the piece, all I could think about was what if a lesbian woman was reading it and looking for information?

I’m sure I’m not the only one who thinks this: we could all work together to make wikiHow more inclusive of LGBTQ+ identities and people. I know there are a lot of other great editors and writers who care that can make this happen. So, let’s do it!:rainbow_flag:

*Cisnormativity - a discourse based on assumption that cisgender is the normal and privileges this over any other form of gender identity*Heteronormativity - relating to a world view that promotes heterosexuality as the ‘normal’ orientation

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Hey! Fellow queer editor here – it’s great to see more of us around to advance the gay agenda improve wikiHow and support the Mission:slight_smile:

I hear you and agree on the lack of gender inclusiveness – as a trans person, this honestly bothers me a lot, and I usually take the effort to neutralize gendered language where I see it. It’s not malicious; some editors just don’t use singular they/them because they were taught to use “he/she” by an English teacher who’s a stickler for gender-exclusive grammar, and back around 2015 and earlier, the writing guidelines for our contracted editors (the ones who edit through WRM/Seymour Edits) required them to use gendered pronouns. That requirement’s been dropped since, and I do see a lot more editors using singular they/them and neutralizing gendered pronouns nowadays, so I think a lot of the gendered pronouns are just old. Anyone is absolutely welcome to change gendered pronouns to gender-neutral ones if they see them, and I’d really encourage them to do so!

I’d imagine the same applies to articles like Be a Good Wife (which, even though it’s definitely developed a lot over the years, was originally created in 2005). I think the relationship articles tend to be “inclusivity snags” in general because we’re a collaborative project, and not everyone is equally aware of the problems around exclusivity. A fair amount of editors here are straight and inclusivity doesn’t always actively cross their mind because, well, heteronormativity. And of course, in those articles, anyone’s welcome to change that kind of thing too – I personally tend to write “partner” or “spouse” rather than anything gendered, or “trade off” gendered terms in any example statements. (For instance, if I write a step on using “I” language, I might include one example referring to a boyfriend, one referring to a wife, and one that’s completely gender-neutral.)

The one thing I will mention is that wikiHow does serve a very broad audience, and we can’t assume that the readers are all going to be up-to-speed on LGBT+ identity. To be clear, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t strive for inclusivity where we can – it just means that sometimes, total gender or sexuality inclusivity isn’t possible, because trying to achieve it could cause it to read awkwardly or confuse someone who’s not educated on the topic (and isn’t on an article devoted specifically to it). As an example, I once worked on an ADHD article where I had to distinguish between “boys” and “girls” with ADHD; I hated it, but writing “people assigned male at birth with ADHD” or “people with ADHD who were assigned female” was too unwieldy, and not everyone knows the terms AFAB or AMAB. In some cases, we have to opt for what’s most understandable to the broader audience, even when it feels exclusive. (And I understand how gross it feels… I wish we lived in a world where AMAB/AFAB were part of the common lexicon outside of queer spaces.)

There are certain articles, too, where it’s fine for the title or content to be gendered, because that’s the target audience. For example, in “Take Care of Black Girls’ Hair,” the target audience is black girls; black boys (and to some extent, black enbies) are less likely to be looking for the same hair care tips as black girls, because the beauty standards are different. But for that, it’s also okay to have a completely gender-neutral title or article on the topic – for instance, we could have an article titled something like “Take Care of African Hair” that centers around black hair care in general, without gendering the reader. (I did take a brief look and it seems like we don’t have a lot of Black hair-care articles in general, so that’d be a really great category for us to improve on in general!)

When it comes to the LGBT category specifically, I don’t think we can actually put a plus sign there – past versions of MediaWiki haven’t properly supported special characters in category names (though I’m not sure if that’s changed), and special characters can mess up tools like the Categorizer that are dependent on the category tree. The category itself was created in 2007, too, when there wasn’t the same amount of awareness about LGBT+ identity; it wasn’t out of a deliberate intent to be exclusive. Since most of our readers find articles through the search bar and LGBT is still considered part of the correct terminology, I don’t think we need to worry too much about that one.:slight_smile:

I definitely love seeing the push for inclusivity, especially since this is something I’ve noticed more and more wikiHowians advocating for in recent years! And this actually gives me an idea… @JayneG is on vacation at the moment, but I know staff is able to pull batches of articles from our databases, and I’m wondering if maybe this could prompt a more widescale project for volunteer editors. Jayne, is there a way that someone could compile a Google Sheet of articles containing terms like “his/her” or “he/she” for the community to review and neutralize where appropriate?

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Just a random thought, but maybe it might be helpful, even if we stick to using gendered language in certain articles, to include some sort of disclaimer, or clarifier. For example, in the article mentioned above, it may be helpful to mention that this article is mostly focused on AFAB people, or those are perceived as female (as I realise there is a lot of nuance around topics like this, and of course, intersex people exist too). I understand why gendered language is used, but it may help clear up some confusion about who the article is focused on. It may also help some people from feeling alienated, giving a small acknowledgment when necessary.

Also, in the past there was a {{gender}} tag people used to flag when an article is only focused on one gender when not specified in the title, it has stopped being used ages ago (I don’t even remember a time when it was used), but I thought I’d just add that to the discussion anyway.

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Do you have any examples or ideas of articles we could use that kind of disclaimer on? It could be an interesting idea to ponder; I just personally am having trouble thinking of topics where the disclaimer would make sense, because on some gendered titles, the reader’s assigned sex or perceived gender isn’t relevant to the instructions – and there could be some cases where it could backfire. Going back to the example of Take Care of Black Girls’ Hair, if we were to say that the article was focused on AFAB people or people perceived as female, it could make trans girls on that topic (especially ones who are still early in their transition, who might not yet “pass” as cis) feel uncomfortable or singled out, and cis girls who specifically looked up instructions on caring for black hair as a girl might find it a bit overly specific or redundant. (As a short baby-faced guy whose ability to pass for cis is often dependent on my hair length, I certainly would feel very othered and out-of-place if an article on men’s style specifically said that the article was focused on people perceived as men.)

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Not many. I just had that thought when you mentioned an ADHD article (that was the “article mentioned above”, I realise I didn’t make it clear) in which the assigned sex was relevant. I’m not an expert on this, but my understanding is that typically the presentation of traits of a specific neurodivergence can differ based on how you are perceived (which does, of course, add nuance because for trans people this can change, intersex people may also have different experiences). So in articles like that, some people may have a hard time telling who it is and isn’t aimed for, but even then, a cis boy could probably get something out of an article like that.

I don’t think a disclaimer would be a great idea in articles such as fashion articles, for the reason you mentioned. I think it might be mostly useful in articles specific to biological issues, where gender is mentioned, but that said I do think that most people, trans or cis, would know which articles they need, but perhaps for some topics, where it is unclear.

I’m not certain I completely agree with my idea, to be honest, I can see times where it could work, I could see times where it doesn’t.

EDIT: I realise that “socialised” may have been the word I was looking for, rather than “perceived”.

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Ah, I see what you’re saying! The caveat there is that sometimes there’s a genuine difference in something’s presentation depending on assigned sex. For instance, with neurodivergences, AFAB people with ADHD are more likely to present with inattentive traits and subtle hyperactive traits, and autistic AFAB people tend to have more “socially acceptable” special interests (e.g. animals or bands). The diagnostic criteria for autism and ADHD in particular were based largely off of AMAB people, so part of the reason AFAB people don’t get diagnosed as often is due to lack of knowledge about how the condition presents in AFAB people – socialization certainly plays a role (see: me being written off as a space case despite being textbook AFAB ADHD), but there are differences in the overall presentation there too. And there are also some physical conditions where sex can change the symptoms of something, like heart attacks.

There’s also the problem that we don’t know how HRT affects most conditions because trans people are chronically left out of medical studies, but that’s getting way off-track!

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I would be very happy to help out making articles gender neutral if a list is produced count me in working on the article’s that make the list.

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I would like to mention that there are some System Messages that are not gender neutral, so we can also look into fixing those. For anyone who doesn’t know, System Messages are pages in the MediaWiki: namespace that allow you to specify the text used in the user interface. For example, the text on MediaWiki:Ab title specifies the title of the About wikiHow Profile Badges page . If you edited the MediaWiki page, you could change the title of the profile badges page. And MediaWiki:Emailpagetext specifies the text that is seen when you are emailing someone. (This one was actually fixed a while back to make it gender neutral, as its edit history shows).

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I searched through all of the system messages, and I found two that are not completely gender neutral:

  • MediaWiki:Anontalkpagetext - This message was shown on talk pages of anonymous users before the redesign. It’s not used right now (although you may be able to see it if you are viewing the page from the history button), but I don’t know about the future, so it might as well be changed.
    * MediaWiki:Slp_bfk_faq_a_2 - This is not a default MediaWiki system message (it is unique to wikiHow), so I don’t know exactly where it goes, but it appears to be something from one of the courses.

I don’t think that I missed any, but I may have. We might want to check with someone from the content team before changing the second one because I have no idea if some kind of change there might cause an issue.

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I love the idea of coming together to do this as a community project. Although I don’t know of a way that I can pull articles that have particular words within the content, I will look into it just in case there’s a way that I don’t know about:slight_smile:

I’ve also gone ahead and updated those two system messages, thank you for finding them R2.

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@JayneG This is “third-party,” but I’ve pulled lists like that and corrected them via AWB, and I know @Zodi has too. There’s just the minor problem that AWB is extremely good at Screwing Things Up™ here, hence why I didn’t suggest it, but there’s definitely some way to do it in general – it might not be built into the magical fancy staff tools, but there may be another way!

(AWB is also Windows-only and very intimidating to use, and I don’t remember how I pulled the list to start with, so I’m not going to recommend anyone else try it if they’re not familiar with AWB – I’m not going to be particularly helpful with any tech support there, heh.)

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The best tool that I can think of to do this is Special:Search, but you won’t be able to make a list with it. But for individual contributors, if you are willing to do this yourself, then what you can do is to search for articles that have words such as “he or she” “him or her” His or hers", or you can search for words like “Police/Fire man” “mail/post man” etc. You can also search for other words or phrases as well. And while Special:Search does prioritize article titles, it will fall back to words that are in the pages themselves once it runs out of titles that have the phrase. It’s also pretty smart and can find things that are similar to what you searched. You can also search through other namespaces, such as the Template or wikiHow namespace. You can click here for what namespaces I would search through. If you click that link, you can just change the example in the search bar with anything and it will search for that word or phrase in all the pages in the selected namespaces. For the best results, you should read the article like a reader would, and then change any noninclusive wording as you come across it, which would make sure that the changes would not be awkwardly worded and would also be changed in context, whereas using a quick editing program or tool might result in changes that are made when the full context is not understood. You’d also probably come across other mistakes in the article which can also be fixed at the same time, and if you want, you can run the article through a grammar/inclusivity checker before reading the article to help make sure that you don’t miss anything. At least, that’s what I think the best method would be when using Special:Search, but there may be a better method. But of course this method is extremely sloooooooow, but I think that the improved quality of the changes would make up for it. This method would also probably be the best if a list is made.

You could also theoretically use Special:Search to make a list, but it would be a very long and repetitive process, which is something that I tend to do at times. If I feel like it, and if a list can’t be generated easily, I might make a list of a bunch of articles that I find and will post them here (but don’t hold your breath).

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I remembered something else that’s worth a brief mention, and that might be easier to tackle without a list (given our category structure): it’s also possible to achieve gender neutrality or near-neutrality in sex-specific health articles. For instance, you could change “a man with testicular cancer” to “someone with testicular cancer,” “pregnant women” to “pregnant people,” and so forth. This is something that gets missed a lot when neutralizing gendered content, and that’s worth looking out for, because trans and nonbinary people are often excluded from mainstream sex-specific healthcare resources and may not get the appropriate information from their doctors.

There may be some areas where it’s not possible to completely neutralize the content (e.g. nutritional requirements with separate norms for “men” and “women”), but in these cases it’s still worth neutralizing any language that doesn’t need to be gendered; the last time we had a discussion about this, Zodi mentioned that they had asked about this in a trans space before and the general consensus was that it was better for a resource to be slightly gendered rather than fully or near-fully gendered.

e: Actually, now that I think about it, wouldn’t there be some way to pull a list of indexed content from the Men’s Health and Women’s Health categories, as well as their subcategories? It could be a good way to get the ball rolling while we figure out how to find the content that just has gendered pronouns in it.

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Although I haven’t yet found a way that I can easily compile a comprehensive list of articles with, say “his or her” in them, and I can’t pull every article in a subcategory and all of their subcategories (can only do that for top cats; ~9000 articles in Health), I did pull articles that are in a bunch of categories from Men’s and Women’s health here . It may or may not be helpful - I haven’t gone through them in any way.

If you do choose to work on gender neutrality in any articles, I know you will all be very careful to make sure any changes are in the best interest of the article and wikiHow readers, keeping in mind the intent of the reader. I’m sure no-one would go and automatically “replace all” or something in an article without checking that it all makes sense, but just noting it!

And if anyone comes across a random article that would benefit from some tweaks for gender-neutral pronouns, of course you are welcome to make those edits, as always!

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I would love to help out! I have just came out as Non-binary and bisexual! My parents don’t agree with this so I haven’t told them! I would love to write an article about this but you if know me, I can’t write an article also, a lot of LGBTQ+ articles are taking so I don’t even know we’re to start! If anybody got any ideas that would be amazing! Remeber, everybody is equal no matter what!

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Actually, now that I think about it, wouldn’t there be some way to pull a list of indexed content from the Men’s Health and Women’s Health categories, as well as their subcategories? It could be a good way to get the ball rolling while we figure out how to find the content that just has gendered pronouns in it.

Indexed content^ specifically I’m not sure but AWB allows you to pull a list of all pages from any category and all its subcategories. ( here are the ones from the Men’s and Women’s Health categories) Tracking down gendered language is a bit trickier because of how many gendered words there are. If you keep it to pronouns, it’s still tricky because he/she are letter combinations that occur in a lot of words (e.g. t he ) but that’s probably solvable by either modifying the search string or using regex.

^you can take your list and then preparse it to remove anything that has a stub template or is in the quality review category - not sure if that’s totally the same?

Searching for specific phrases or keywords (police man, his or her, pregnant woman) has the catch that AWB only goes to 1000 pages so you’d probably have to restrict yourself to specific categories if you want to catch all of them - but this is the method I use to compile short lists and then manually go in to replace the words.

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It has now occurred to me that we could start a project dedicated to making these articles more inclusive/gender-neutral? There seems to be a sizable amount of people willing to make these changes, so why not start one?

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