I found this article in RC Patrol. It needs some formatting and copyediting, and a title change, but I don’t know if this article needs an NFD template. It has information on the task, but there doesn’t seem to be any duplicate articles (as far as I know, searching them up), yet it still needs more edits. Does this article need an NFD tag or not? 

https://www.wikihow.com/Use-Imgur.com

Are you sure this wasn’t written by a WSU student? We’ve got a group of college students who have an assignment to write wikiHow articles; it’s not fair if we rewrite their article to get them a good grade for them:confused:

I don’t know what WSU stands for.

Edit: If so, do the articles just stay that way with more mistakes in them?

^ Same, what’s a WSU student? 

It’s a college; I’m not sure what the exact name is, it’s slipping my mind. Either way, I’d say that until we know whether or not this person is a student, edits are not made by anyone other than them, because we don’t want to risk doing someone else’s work for them.

Okay.

^^ But what if someone just wanted to edit the article in order to improve it and to help others? Do we still leave it? This article may benefit someone. 

@WikihowSaver , it’s their assignment, not ours; I believe @Anna has more details, so I think maybe she could say when it’d be safe to edit their things. Other than that, it’s not anyone’s place to do someone else’s work. It wouldn’t be fair to the other students if another editor came in and fixed the issues with their article for them, but not for the other students. (And you can’t have other people do your assignments in school anyway; that’s cheating…)

Is there any way to know if they are a student or not?

^ Only by asking them directly, I think. It honestly might be a good idea to gather a list of the people we know are students; we’ve got a huge amount of them right now. Anna’s boosted most of their articles, so I’d say she’d probably know who’s a student there.

Okay.

Ah, that makes sense, thanks. Kind of strange but kind of cool at the same time. Thanks for the heads-up!

WSU is Wayne State University - there are a couple of colleges where the professors set technical writing assignments asking the students to create something on wikiHow, and WSU is one of them. I don’t know if this is a WSU student or not, though - it might not be. You can always ask them - I often do! 

To be clear, though, if you *want* to edit an article submitted by anyone (student or otherwise), you are very welcome to, of course. All topics are open to editing, and that’s no different for these guys, so if you want to fix it, go for it. Nothing holding you back - just also nothing obligating you:slight_smile:

It’s not so much a matter of fairness, @Galactic-Radiance - the professors know we’re a collaborative environment, and generally they know how to see who did what on an article. It is more a matter of avoiding a situation where our boosters/patrollers/editors/etc feel some obligation to fix someone else’s assignment. After tackling lots and lots of student articles in NAB over the last few semesters, and seeing some assignment articles that are aweeeesome and some that, well, aren’t, I’ve learned that some students take it seriously, while others really don’t. I guess that’ll always be the way, similar to the range we get with other new articles (although it can sometimes seem amplified by the numbers of college students who come in at once!). As a result, I’ve developed a habit of reaching out to them and having them do their own formatting/editing/etc if there are either very big errors in the writing or if it’s clear they haven’t read our guidelines (like, creating their own section order/labels, using a totally different format, etc). I give them the info they need, but I don’t hesitate to put an article into Quality Review for them to do the fine-tuning, if it’s clear they started out without reading our guidelines. On the flip side, when they’ve done their “homework” and have more or less done an awesome job, and the article just needs a few edits before it can go live, I usually do that for them - nobody is perfect, after all. 

I’m not in touch with all of the professors who set this assignment, but for the ones I have been able to talk to, I know that they feel that figuring out our guidelines is part of the assignment. So the main point is that the obligation isn’t on anyone else to do it for them (to be fair, that’s just as with any editing around here - no obligations!). If they need help and you want to provide it, no problem. But if you do get any students prodding you to do editing for them or requesting promotion even though they haven’t met our guidelines, just let me know, and I can explain to them why that’s not okay, and try to follow up with their professors if needed.  Their assignment shouldn’t put any pressure on you or anyone else around here.

On this topic in particular, I don’t think it really needs NFD; it’s a good start, but it could probably use some cleanup and expansion. Regardless of whether the author is a student or not, you can edit it if you want to, and not if you don’t want to:slight_smile:

^Okay, thanks for the advice. 

Oh wow, thanks for sharing, I had no idea. Thanks @Anna

Oh, sorry, @Anna - what you told me earlier came off as a “don’t do their work for them”. I thought that’s what you were aiming for with the students. Sorry for sending across wrong information.

I sent a message to them asking. If they reply and they’re not, I’ll give them advice on editing here.

No worries - Sorry that was unclear when we talked! I just meant you don’t *need* to fix or tag their stuff for them. They’re usually pretty motivated to work things out, and they can always post on the ART for help, so I don’t mind putting the lionshare of the work on them, to get their A:slight_smile:

We don’t have a specific way to identify them; I’ve asked professors to have them say that they’re from WSU on their user page, but not all do it, and I think we actually have some other professors/colleges participating these days, too, so it’s not just WSU, anyway. I’ve developed a bit of a feel for how their stuff often looks and have been able to make some good guesses, but if in doubt, I just ask.

For what it’s worth, some really cool articles do come out of the project, though. I’ll try to include some in next week’s achievements post! 

I thought this was Wright State University for a second lol! In all seriousness though I agree with Alex.