_ Tl;dr - Try reviewing potential stubs in the  Topic Tagging Tool !_

More info, for the curious:

Raising the Bar, All the Time:

wikiHow’s quality is growing, slowly but surely, every day. As reader expectations have risen over the years, we, as a community, have heard that call. I’m really proud of that we’ve raised our standards to make sure every new contribution to wikiHow is as helpful as it can be - and as helpful as trusting readers expect. 

It’s not always an easy mountain we climb, especially when the hill gets steeper over time, but one of the wikiHausers, @Bridget8 , had a neat experience the other day that exemplifies why we keep raising that bar. She met a college student who had “grown up” seeing wikiHow around when they were in high school - the first thing they said to her upon hearing she worked on this project was how much wikiHow’s content had improved over the last few years. They had noticed the difference, and it meant they were continuing to use wikiHow as a source for advice now into their adulthood, when they otherwise might not have - pretty cool, and shows we’re doing something right in our mission:slight_smile:

One thing we try to do periodically is take a look back at articles that were boosted when our quality bar was lower. Sometimes these are still great articles, and sometimes they look pretty stubby by modern standards. You all see it when you’re out there patrolling and topic-editing, too, and add stub tags where needed - that’s great! We also look at helpfulness ratings and other data, and add stub tags where there’s clearly significant room for improvement. However, the ratings don’t *always* tell the full story, especially on difficult topics or on topics that people “like” the idea of, even when they’re not particularly helpful. Some of these pages really need human review to see if they have the detail, depth, accuracy, and helpfulness to serve readers well. If they don’t, we’d like to add a stub tag to remove those pages from reader views until they get a revamp. Sstubbed topics go into the Topic Greenhouse for topic enthusiasts to add to (or to add an NFD if needed), and often onto our wikiHaus content team to-do list, as well, so many will get a new lease on life once they’re more helpful!

How You Can Help Today:

With this goal in mind, @Chris-H and I are hoping you’ll be interested in a bit of an experiment: we’ve commandeered the “Topic Tagging Tool” to help us review potential stubs. These are articles that seem, from the data, like they’re likely to be unhelpful, but they could use human review. Getting consensus on each from a number of tool voters could be super helpful. 

The tool won’t automatically add stub tags or add any kind of permanent tag on the article, but once the batch of articles is all done, we’ll review the vote results and add stub tags using Stub-Bot, where there’s a consensus that articles need more work.

You can chime in by voting here:  https://www.wikihow.com/Special:TopicTagging

Hoping you guys are game to help us try this out… It’ll be a bit experimental, but let’s see how it works out once the votes roll in. It could be a great way to build consensus all those borderline topics and make sure we don’t have lots of older low-quality articles live out there hurting readers’ trust in us. Another way for us all to keep climbing this mountain and keep quality high across the board:slight_smile:

Tagging recent TTT users so you know what’s up and don’t get confused by the switch! @BetteDavisFan @P-Hills @Krazn @Saumya-Sachan @DIY-Slime @Wikiyay @KKatz74 , @Emily-Cavanaugh , @PinkPizzaSprinklers , @Silver-Light-Gaming , @BlondeGirl97 , @That_edgy_boi , @Cheryl-Beard

I’m in. . . . I think this is a great idea! I notice in RC Patrol articles that are boosted, but there are definitely ones that are more fleshed out than others.

I think this is a great way to weed through those articles! Great idea!

This make the point clear. I am happy to see it written clearly on a forum post. I hope the original authors (If we happen to be one among them) take the review process sportingly. The goal is super high.

@P-Hills great that you’re in! Thanks for using the opp to ‘weed’- good way to put it!

@Vishshua Hah, nice summary for me - thank you!:slight_smile:- definitely a high goal… you made me realize I want to reiterate that goal at the end, so I tweaked my post accordingly. I hope it can be a pretty cool way for authors to get some updated feedback/reminders of older articles of theirs, too- then they can of course tackle expansions/updates if they want to, or sit on it and see what input comes from other folks through the Topic Greenhouse and similar avenues, wiki style. There’s no rush on the updates once the stub tag is on, so no pressure either way. 

Let me know what you guys think as you dive in. Is it easy to tell what’s on the stubby side? Are there particular article types that it’s harder or easier for evaluate in this tool? We can always experiment with focusing this kind of review on certain topic areas (and reviewing other ones in other ways, like more in-depth tech testing), if so.

Looking forward to diving in and giving any feed back.

Thanks Patti!

This is a great idea.  I’ve noticed that there are a lot of recipes; and they are often short but I can’t think of what could be added.  This task is not my favourite since I hate cooking, but I’ll do my best.

@BetteDavisFan Yeah, recipes can definitely be a tough call… I struggle with those calls even when I see them out and about around the wiki. 

I do think trying to put yourself in the reader’s shoes as much as possible is a good idea. Like “If I were searching for this topic, what would I want out of it?” Sometimes short and sweet does the trick, but others people are looking for cooking/recipe inspiration and variety and possibilities (especially on broader food topics)… so I think there’s definitely something to the idea of stubbing some articles that, at bare bones, might “get the job done” but are still not a very complete and satisfying answer, you know? 

There is admittedly a ton of “case by case” and “use your best judgment” here though…  which is why I’m hoping using this kind of vote system to build consensus will be fruitful! Thanks for giving it your best shot:smiley:

I’m up for anything that will help improve the wikiHow experience. While doing patrolling today I noticed how the quality of articles have improved. I’ve also identified some stubby articles I would like to try improving sometime.

@KKatz74 that’s great to hear, both that you notice a difference compared to older articles and that you’ve found some you want to work on! Thanks for helping with this drive:smiley:

What switch

@DIY-Slime just the switch between functions/questions of the tool - see my first post for an explanation:slight_smile:

ok

Only about 200 to go on this batch! Then we’ll look at the results and see if the votes tally up to a clear consensus on most of these, or if the waters are too muddy. Assuming we get some clear consensus on the stubiness of enough articles, we’ll hopefully move ahead with more batches of review.

For those who’ve been voting, I’m curious about any thoughts/feedback you have. Is it easy to tell what’s on the stubby side in this tool? Are there particular article types that it’s harder or easier to evaluate? 

The tech articles for me are the hardest, because often times only a few steps are needed.

I feel unsure about articles when it has good steps but no tips, warnings, things you’ll need section. The rest can clearly be understood as incomplete. So I marked them Yes. I also realised probably this how my previously promoted and an RS article got marked as stub after I came back from my year long break.:slight_smile:

@Vishshua I don’t think the presence or absence of those optional sections alone would change whether or not it’s a stub. It’s more about whether the steps/method(s) are well developed, helpful, and satisfying to the reader. You can have a really solid article without those sections… ooor you can have one with them that’s still incomplete or under-developed or unhelpful or unsatisfying. So I wouldn’t hang it all on those sections - it’s more a consideration of the ‘meat’ of the text, regardless of the extra sections. Hah, it’s funny looking back at old topics and seeing in them the evolution around the wiki, isn’t it? Thanks for embracing the process with an open mind:slight_smile: @XxVxX Ya that makes sense that tech would be tricky… something clearly stubby can stick out like a sore thumb but other tech articles need testing. Feel free to skip those ones that you aren’t sure about… maybe we’ll do a round of tech testing for those techy ones if the outcomes aren’t clear!

@Anna Thanks. This is helpful guidance. I’ll keep that in mind and direct those who have similar doubts to this page.:slight_smile:No problem with taking the stub tags well. It’s a pleasure and the right thing to do to go up with the rising standards of wikiHow.

Thank you Anna!