Welcome to the wikiHaus Lab update! Here’s what’s new for October 21st:

:rocket: What’s happening?We’re going to be making some tweaks to the current wikiHow pet site for a fresher, more fun take. Here’s a sneak peek of a potential mockup as it currently stands. Some of the goals for this update include:

  • New illustrations with soft, looser looks that have a visual tie into wikiHow-style illustrations and make the page feel less boxy.

  • New takes on the category section that better reflects what each category is. A couple of things they’re looking into are updated photos , along with new colored title bars to make categories even more visually appealing, and possibly even icons to represent categories.

Do you particularly like or dislike any of these ideas, or have any further suggestions for wikiHow.pet?

:rocket: What’s happening?Containerless design for a cleaner article layout on mobile. The team is trying a new approach on mobile to make our article design feel more up-to-date, clean, and less boxy, by removing containers for mobile articles.

:star: Coming up:We have the opportunity to be part of a project to convert some older part/method articles into list articles because this format is doing so well. For community folk, the project could incorporate anything from format tweaks through to learning more about reader intent and making updates to the way the information is arranged in an article. I’d love to get a gauge of your interest in a project like this: Would you be interested in learning more about this project and helping convert some older articles into list articles? Let me know below or by sending me a message.

:green_heart: Can you help?Staff are revisiting Expert Q&A paywalls on certain articles and categories. Although the main content has and always will be available for free for everyone who needs it, we have been asking for a small payment to access additional Expert Q&A for readers who are not logged in. The team has recently removed the paywall on health articles, and are planning to review other articles. If you know of any articles aimed at low-income readers and/or that you believe it’s important to have additional Expert Q&A freely available on top of the main article content, please add them in this form .

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I have a question. What is the “line breaks” experiment ?

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Im not one to speak out about my honest opinions when i know i wont be heard. But i know some of this really strikes me as being appalling to me.

Ive never liked list format articles. I may have written one but I’ve seen oh so many ones that were really good being changed to list format and really struck me how lousy they became. The whole “how to” concept really goes out the window when a wikiHow how-to article gets switched to list format. Why don’t we change our site name - not to wikiHow, but to wikiList?

(Removed this last paragraph. Although im angry i think my message was a little off-kilter.)

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What you’re saying is not correct. I’ve written how-to-formatted list articles before. I understand the frustration over the format changes, but to say that there’s no usable how-to information in the list articles at all is not accurate.

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Articles with expert Q and A that can be freely available could be from topics that readers read to earn money. Like earn money from home, study on a budget, start a charity with almost no capital or finance etc.

I loved the new take on images. Articles with real life images seem to read like it’s more authentic and true, I think. The category page example for pets is so cute. Hats off to those who helped this branch of wikiHow. I hope it does pawsibly woofenderful.

To convert the format to list style and others, I may be available on weekends. I’ll be watching this space.:slight_smile:
Well done. Kudos to all of you!:blue_heart:

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By the way, 4 articles with that “linebreaks:” template have made the Wanted Templates list.

Looks like a new bug. I will file a report.

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@R2_d2000 Great question. I just checked in about this and it’s an experiment to see if breaking up large sections of text helps make it more skimmable, and therefore easier to read.

@EpcotMagic I’m sorry to hear you feel that way. Data is showing that our readers like How To-s in a list format in general, but that doesn’t mean everyone has to. The traditional formats are, of course, still more appropriate for a wide variety of subjects.

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I took a look at the .pet mockups and have a few quick opinions:

  • I don’t really like the real-life category images. Most of our article images are illustrated, so the switch to real-life images feels jarring, because it doesn’t match our style. It’s like a literal version of being forced back into reality.
  • The colored title bars, as-is, don’t work. There’s no clear and connected color scheme on the photos used, so the colors feel slapped on and sometimes clash with or fade into the images. It risks coming off like one of those “graphic design is my passion” memes.
  • The category icons are actually rather cute; my one concern is that I feel like they kind of visually… bleed together? But it may just be that the icons are blurry, and I can’t think of how to fix that anyway. (And we’d need to fix the cat training icon, because it shows a dog.)

for whatever reason, jumpshare is apparently deemed unsafe by my dorm’s wifi and i had to connect to my hotspot to see the images, so that was an adventure

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Glad I wasn’t the only one who caught that.

I agree with the thoughts here - the real life images seem a little out of place, especially since the mockup design for the homepage has that cartoon drawing (which I adore). My best guess for the color coding of the title bars was that dog categories were the blue color, cats were purple, and other pets were orange? I can get behind that, but I feel as though the colors could easily clash with the images or even the wikiHow green itself. As for the icons, I’m quite fond of them, so long as that cat training one gets updated.

I’d be interested in maybe helping out with that list format project; my only concern is not having much time for that, but if I can, I would still like to lend a helping hand!

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I must admit I was kinda confused about the {{linebreak:}} thing and may have tried to ‘fix’ some earlier, but I reverted that so we’re all good , so its good to see that that’ll hopefully be removed from wanted templates.

One the topic of Q&A paywalls, I quickly logged out to have a look, and by my reading it looks like you’d have to pay at least $1 per article to unlock expert Q&As (please do correct me if I’m wrong on that, I haven’t paid so I’m not entirely sure). I’m glad to see that paywalling has been removed from health articles and that there’s genuine interest in removing them from some other articles. I’m not, however, really a fan of the concept of paywalls on a wiki, particularly with regards to things that form part of the ‘standard’ wH article.

At the risk of sounding somewhat like a broken record, whilst I do appreciate that wH needs to consider its needs as a business, and so decisions sometimes need to be made quickly and/or in private, I feel like it might’ve been better if there was more communication and consultation about potentially implementing this sort of thing so that, for example, there wasn’t then a need to retrospectively remove some of these features. More generally, and moving forward, I think it’d be great if there was more community engagement with these sort of subjects to create the best possible solutions and minimise the need for future backtracking and to acknowledge the fact that volunteers contribute quite a significant amount of time to this project and thus deserve (to my mind at least) some level of transparency, including in the pre-implementation phase, about these matters.

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I don’t want to hijack GB’s overall point, but I do want to share that I was actually discussing these paywalls with a friend of mine who was fairly prolific on the Q&A before life pulled him off-wiki for awhile. He pointed out that these paywalls were borderline insulting to the volunteer community, because it sends a message about quality and/or worthiness. And while I don’t want to start trouble, I honestly have to agree with him – many volunteers put forth some incredible and well-thought-out answers, but I’ve seen quite a few experts give one- or two-sentence answers that are genuinely unhelpful, and I don’t like the idea of a reader paying money just to access an unhelpful expert answer. Especially when there’s a free, helpful, and comprehensive volunteer answer just a brief scroll down.

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wikiHow Pet Site:I agree with the discussion going on here. Real-life images do look kind of weird to me, since most images on the articles are illustrated. I too feel the coloured title bars don’t look so good with those current colours. I do think the wikiHow green would look better, though, instead of the blue, purple, or orange that it’s in the sample. Oh, and the category icons look so nice to me, aww… But the cat instead of the dog will probably have to be fixed (I don’t think cats and dogs look exactly the same, do they?):slight_smile:

Mobile Layout:I love the idea! Really nice one! I honestly do have some difficulty accessing wikiHow on mobile. Any sample images sort of as to how it’ll look? I’m getting super-excited for this one!:hugs:

Format Update:I’d be more than happy to convert articles to this format. (In fact, I’ve already done that with some thike these ) But again, this can’t be done on all articles, since some articles do need separate ‘parts’.:slight_smile:
Personally, I love the list format. Buuut… (yes, there’s one very important “but” here) only how-to ones. This means something like 13 Ways to Soothe a Burnt Tounge in the list format would be something I would love. But something like 13 Common Causes Behind Itchy Legs (and How to Treat Itchiness) wouldn’t – because it focuses more on “what” rather than “how to”.
What mainly concerns me is that such community-created articles can’t be kept, since these are still in the experiment stage. I feel this is a major concern, because many new contributes would see such non how-to articles and create such new ones. Those community-created ones, though would probably be deleted. As far as I can put myself in their shoes, they would probably think this is “unfair” and maybe not stick around with us.
I know this is off-topic, but there was something I wanted to say about QAM articles. I really like QAM , but again, only those that have a how-to topic as their base. For example, something like 6 Easy Ways to Plant Trees to Fight Climate Change would be something I’d love, because it’s on a general how-to, just in a question-answer format. Being the “person who asks so many questions” that I am, I really love these since they answer my questions! But something like How Often Should You Wash Short Hair? Tips for Keeping Your Hair Healthy and Clean really wouldn’t appeal to me, since it focuses more on “how often” instead of “how to”.
And I’d like to say something about myth articles, too. Even though they aren’t how to, I do really love them.:slight_smile:

Expert Q&A:I like the fact that payments to unlock expert answers has been removed on health articles. But I can’t help but agree with Alex. I have noticed expert answers generally having lower helpfulness votes, as compared to volunteer answers. This might probably be because of the fact that readers are paying, and not being helped – rather than not being helped, without any costs.
I feel articles related to education/acadamedics could have freely available expert answers – since it would be mostly students reading those, and might not be able to pay. I also think articles aimed at children, pre-teens, teens, or just really young readers in general (like How to Wear Natural Makeup for 12–14 Year Olds: 14 Steps , to link just one) might also benefit from freely available expert answers – since younger readers might not be able to pay for them without the help of parents (which can be especially difficult on “How to Convince Your Parents to to ___” articles). And while some (13+) might just be able to login to access them, not all could.
By the way, if I remember correctly, there previously was an option called something like “I can’t pay right now, but I would like to unlock expert answers”, right?

Linebreak Project:I liked the linebreak project, not that I didn’t, it makes pages a lot more accessible and I don’t get lost where I was reading. But I feel bullet points do a much better job at this.:slight_smile:

New Forums Feature?Off-topic, but I’ve just noticed something new on the forums. We can now react to a post with a heart, thumbs up, laughing emoji, open mouth, clap, confetti ball, or even a hug. I hadn’t seen this before, I’m guessing it’s something new. I loved this new thing. Is this some sort of an update too? Here’s how it looks on my end:
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I agree with most of the comments about wikiHow.Pet, though I would be fine with the colored category bars, as long as they don’t end up clashing with the image. I also agree with what Puchumoni and VY have said about Expert Q&A-I think in addition to medical-related topics money-related topics as well as education topics (or topics meant for kids/teens) should have Expert Q&A freely available, given that readers on these topics most likely are either looking to make money or might be too young to purchase them.

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It looks like it went away. I can’t get the box to come up. What happened?

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Thank you so much for all of the constructive feedback and suggestions so far.

@Buterflie & @R2_d2000 I went over to the Discourse forums and it seems this was implemented on all Discourse sites by accident! It’s since been turned off by Discourse. Buuuut… it is something new that we could potentially enable - I will create a new post so we can decide as a community whether to enable new reactions:slight_smile:

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I will agree with the direction of Alex’s comment.

However, I feel very strongly about any links to paid content being placed on the same page as articles created in good faith by volunteers who were creating a “free resource” and not building some kind of a platform for profit.

It may be too late to save the benevolent vision of wikiHow, but I wish we would keep the profit links out of the content that was created for free use. It is confusing so many users.

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I’ve been thinking things over since Zack’s response, and I’ve been going back and forth over whether to post this for quite some time now. I’m honestly scared to post it, because one thought turned into another one and it ended up snowballing, but… I need to, because Jayne has gotten enough distressed emails from me. And part of me wants to share it in case the community has any thoughts on what I’ve said, and wants to add their own input; the other part knows that my post is probably going to send Jayne and Chris H into damage control mode (sorry, guys) and I may as well just be thorough. And I really hope anyone reading this can take this as I intend it: not to tear anyone down, be harsh or overly critical, or burn bridges, but to share an outside perspective and give some things to think about.

And Jayne, just FYI, my earlier email still stands.

But, honestly? In spite of our efforts last year to fix things, the volunteer community still feels like it’s dissipating. And I think a lot of it comes down to a seeming disorganization within the company that, to someone outside of the company, probably feels like it’s compromising the core values of wikiHow.

I love everyone on staff, don’t get me wrong, and I know a lot of chaos comes from how rapidly the webscape evolves and how small the team is. But I noticed a lot of sudden and scattered communication happening within the company this summer, when I was given the opportunity to intern with the content team. I’m still so happy I got the opportunity; aside from enjoying the work, we have a wonderful team and I can tell everyone wants to support both the website and the volunteer community. It’s also given me more perspective on how things function on the staff end of things, and I’ve recognized some parallels. Namely, the way changes are being implemented as of late are almost a direct match to what I saw while interning: on a moment’s notice with no opportunity for negotiation. A lot ended up communicated after the fact, too. It was confusing (and, frankly, a bit frustrating) even when I could reach out directly to a staff member for clarification, and now that I’ve finished interning and my primary point of contact with staff is Jayne, I’ve found myself even more confused than before, because I no longer have any of the background context. And in a wiki setting, this sort of on-the-fly incomplete communication (particularly around new rules that remove or severely limit volunteer tasks) risks destroying the community spirit, because no matter how well-intentioned it is, it ultimately goes against the collaborative nature of a wiki.

This disorganization is also apparent even on the reader-facing end of the site. Articles are written in a casual, friendly, and empathetic tone, but paid content (well, the ads, at least, because truthfully I have no interest in the courses) is overly professional. Designs change from creative, cutesy, and unique, to sterile, hard-lined, and sometimes carbon copies of the “corporate art style” that every tech company is using now. At points, we don’t even adhere to basic UX laws. Honestly, it’s whiplash even to me, because it feels like wikiHow is having an identity crisis. Are we trying to be taken seriously and seem professional and authoritative, or are we wanting to seem like a silly and casual website that makes fun of ourselves? There’s a way to do both, I’m sure, but this feels like multiple people’s individual ideas are jammed together without regard for cohesion. I’m worried the site and its reputation is suffering for it.

There’s also a lot of “trading” of tasks within staff, and it feels like somewhere along the way, the volunteer tasks somehow were traded to staff, while we’ve ended up getting staff tasks that we’re simply not equipped to handle. I noticed this the most with the category redesign: that’s something that requires formal education in graphic design and UX, and yet it ended up falling to a bunch of teenagers and 20-somethings to figure out how to fix it. It was abundantly clear we had no idea what we were doing, and the only thing that really changed afterwards was the sizing of the tiles (which made a difference, don’t get me wrong, but that just changed my criticism from “let’s do X, Y, and Z” to “it still looks wrong but I can’t tell you how or why”). Meanwhile, the vast majority of content work has been delegated to staff and contracted teams. I know the slower pace of volunteer contributions isn’t compatible with how quickly we need to adapt for SEO purposes, but it kills the magic of contributing when most new content is already rolled out in a complete or mostly-complete state (and, honestly, when a lot of recent content feels clickbaity, tabloid-esque, and/or like it’s being written because it’s popular rather than out of a genuine passion to help someone. Even my intern work didn’t feel that SEO-driven).

For all of this, volunteers have been thrown to the bottom of the priority list. More and more core aspects of a wiki keep being shut off; either we’re told that we need to stop doing something because “it hurts readership” with little hope of us getting it back (and a fight required to maintain use of that thing at all), or we get some new feature – but only staff can use it (e.g. custom display titles), and who knows if or when we’ll get to beta test it. Dashboard tools are emptied and/or disabled and then just never come back. Articles are permanently moved to subdomains without our input, without us having any obvious way to tell that it happened (and I have reason to believe the subdomains may be harming readership in some cases). In general, our concerns are taking longer to be addressed; bugs in the volunteer-facing segments of the site are going unfixed for longer and longer. I’ve sent Wikivisual requests to fix image issues that could make readers feel uncomfortable or unwelcome, and they aren’t handled until weeks or months later even when the changes don’t require that much effort. Anons especially get the short end of the stick – most access points for account creation have been cut off and/or replaced with ads and donation requests, no anons can edit the Sandbox anymore, and IPv6 anons have been unable to edit for over a year even though almost 50% of the US uses IPv6 now. The community is shrinking, and I’m worried it may not recover.

And while this is more of a communication issue than an organizational one, I’m just going to be honest: the lack of communication about the paid content nearly drove me to quit. I didn’t share this at first because I didn’t want to start trouble, but before this Labs post, I accidentally discovered that the paywalls on expert Q&As and samples had been rolled out indiscriminately – to the point they were on articles aimed at low-income readers and children – and had no opt-out (or even a prompt to sign up for a free account) despite me saying at least twice to staff that readers may not be able to afford even a dollar donation. The last we had heard about these paywalls was around December 2020, so how long it’s been like that is anyone’s guess, and I had no chance to notice and say something earlier because they’re completely hidden to signed-in users. Even though I’m sure nobody actively thought to pull the wool over readers’ or volunteers’ eyes, I felt like I’d been deceived into supporting a project actively going against my values, and was so mentally shattered by it that I couldn’t focus in class or even bring myself to eat for several days.

I really appreciate that staff is getting community input on what to remove the paywalls from; I don’t want to start trouble, I really don’t. But I feel I have to share this here, too, because people deserve to know – whether they’re part of the community, who also seem unaware that this happened, or part of staff, who need to know that this feels to me like we’ve compromised wikiHow’s Mission. Our goal is to help anyone, and that includes readers who can’t pay for content. Potential financial inaccessibility should have been accounted for, at least to some degree, before the paywalls were ever rolled out. This has shaken me and I’m still torn on where to go from here, because I know I said something, I’m struggling to believe this was an accident with the scale of the rollout, and everything with paid content is kept so secret that I don’t even know who to take this to. The paid content models were first announced in July 2020, I’ve been fairly active since then, and even I can’t figure out anything about the paid content or who’s handling it.

I know some of the forced mysteriousness has to do with legal and financial concerns, which the volunteers need to be left out of. And I recognize this specific comment may not be a universal opinion among the community. But with how often certain megacorporations have been in the news lately, I need to point this out: With how many corporations and startups (particularly in tech) start off seemingly “good” and then start making more and more ethically questionable choices, it doesn’t matter if we know you guys as individuals have good intent – the secrecy around the paid content looks suspicious, potentially even untrustworthy. The average community member doesn’t have nearly enough background information to know whether this comes from desperation or something more sinister; the average reader has even less. And after discovering how the paywall rollout was handled, I don’t know if I can continue to support wikiHow if this secrecy doesn’t change, because once money gets involved, I can’t ethically handwave this kind of thing.

… I really hate to bring all this frustration and negativity to the table without any suggestions or solutions. But things are under such lock-and-key nowadays that just months after my internship, I can’t really tell what’s going on anymore, so I don’t know what to suggest. And I don’t have the knowledge or skillset to solve issues that are happening within the business, whether that’s related to SEO, revenue, or anything else. All I know is that most of my wikiFriends here have left – either gone inactive and rarely (if ever) pop back in, or have outright quit. Now that the GoogleMonster has basically forced me out of writing on diagnostic or disability topics, I’m feeling progressively more useless for anything beyond pointing out problems that need to be fixed, and I don’t want that to be my role here. At 21, the kind of companies I should be taking action to hold accountable are polluters contributing to climate disaster. Not a well-intentioned startup that’s just trying to avoid death by Google.

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Hi Alex,

It sounds like you’re really frustrated, and there is a lot to unpack here. Jayne has been sharing community feedback and suggestions with me and Elizabeth, but I’d love to take some time to hear your perspective directly. Can you email me so we can set up a time to talk? I’m happy to clarify policies and offer some perspectives on the future of wikiHow, but I want to make sure I understand where you’re coming from first.

Thanks,Sonia

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