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For some time now, there has been articles that are being created that are in other languages. Of course, we would love to have more articles, but it poses a problem after when it doesn’t fit in because it is in a different language. Because of this, @JackHerrick and I have worked together to add a new reason to the NFD template. The new reason is “lan” This is short for “language”. Use this reason whenever you find an article that is not in the English language. It will work in the same way that all the other reasons do. You can post it on the article, and you can post it on a users talk page to leave a message for them about why it’s been nominated for deletion, and what they can do about it. New Article Boosters: I’ve contacted Jack about having the “lan” deletion reason added to the “action” section in NAB. Admins and NABs: These probably won’t appear in the NFD tool, as we probably will take a different course of action. If you find any bugs with it the new reason (which there shouldn’t be), please send me an email or leave a talk page message. Don’t post them in Bug Reports, or add a bug to this thread, as I probably won’t see it. I’m going to announce this for a few days, as this is an important change.

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Deleted duplicate threads. =) June Days

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Ah. Good. I wouldn’t save at first, then I duplicated them…

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What does this mean?

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@Davecrosby We haven’t determined that exactly yet, but they probably won’t be normally voted on, like normal NFD’s are. There will be a separate way to go about handling these NFDs.

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Actually, I’ll announce this tomorrow. I’m unannouncing for now to let it be seen on the main page.

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There’s ALREADY a category for these… from which they get moved into their respective language wikiHows… Category: Not In English Why delete them, if they can be used in the spanish wikiHow or the arabic wikiHow etc. I honestly don’t see a need for an NFD at all.

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I completely agree with Lois. As we may not know the content of an article in other language is good or not, then how can we conclude this deletion. It may be published in our other language site. Here I also put the idea to create sub-categories for our other language projects under “Not in English” category. So that we can put those other language articles in their language category and later someone from other language can publish those. And for RC patrollers, if you see any other language article, then just put the content of that article in Google Translate and check whether it’s an advertise, offensive or not. If it’s not then just categorize it to corresponding language category under Category: Not In English, otherwise put a speedy template.

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Whether it’s an NFD template or not, I think we do need somekind of template or notice to put at the top of such articles rather than just putting them into a category. Articles can linger in the Not in English category for months, especially if they are in a language for which wikiHow has not (yet) developed a version.

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Couldn’t we use the article (if useful) for the language project? So a Korean article would go on the Korean wikiHow Project?

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Just some clarification. Any addition to the Deletion Policy would have to go through a formal policy change process. http://www.wikihow.com/wikiHow:Policy-Proposals/Amending-Policy-and-Achieving-Consensus . It’s not an quick and easy process, but can be done. Jack or Krystal can make a change on their own, but that notification is sent out from one of them directly. Please use this process if you want a change to the deletion policy.

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Lois, the category to which you refer is the one that KernelPone just added. It wasn’t there before. I’ve rolled back the edit until it is offically adopted or announce from wikiHaus. FWIW, historically we have either speedy’d them or used NFD}NOT. Deleting these is not something new. Perphaps a new category would clarify this to all.

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If I am not mistaken, the category “Not in English” has been around a long time, I remember seeing articles included in it years ago, or at least a similar category. While Jack didn’t explain exactly why in this thread http://forums.wikihow.com/discussion/4803/any-super-template-experts-here/#Item_3 , it seems like he did explain the need to handle these articles in a unique nfd category INSTEAD of using nfd|not or other, so I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt until the whole gist of what he is putting together is settled. I do know that this isn’t a one man operation, and that as founder, Jack has both a little more clout in decisionmaking than average contributors if he chooses to exercise it, which he seldom does, and he, probably more than anyone, would have wikiHow’s best interests at heart. (if he doesn’t, we can just mutiny, create an earthquake, and send Palo Alto off into the Pacific).

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A little history, the Not in English category was created by Tom Viren in 2006, although it doesn’t display in the category list on a page, as do normal categories. http://www.wikihow.com/index.php?title=Category:Not-in-English&action=history Oh, and I am going to expand on what Jack said in the thread, above, it seems like he wants the new nfd so the articles can be reviewed specifically for their potential and content, rather than against the metrics for ordinary deletion, in an effort to keep useful but in a way, out of reach content in our system, or at least so it can be entered into a searchable deletion log if/when it is deleted.

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@Melwade I think you have a misunderstanding here. I was not the one who decided to make the change. I simply made the change happen. Jack made the forum thread mentioned by @BR above, and then we exchanged a few emails about how we should make it look. From there, I made the necessary template changes, created the necessary category, and made this thread. So, as you said yourself, Jack or Krystle can make direct changes to the policy, therefore this IS official, and I’m asking you to revert your undo of the NFDreasons template. Summarization: Jack’s idea, I made it happen.

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Yes there was a category - just not an NFD reason/category. BR. Yes, Jack can make a policy change. I mentioned that in my post. It is also stated in the policy change policy. I missed Jacks thread in my search. That doesn’t look like an official announcement. Sorry you are in the middle Zach. It is very unusual for Jack to make a policy change an have another user or admin make the announcement instead of himself. We need to wait for Jack to weigh in on this with an official announcment for clarification.

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@KernelPone Okay… A couple of issues here. 1 - We’ve dealt with Not In English articles a certain way for a very long time. Not to say that it isn’t in need of revision? But it’s a long standing policy/procedure. 2 - NFD Policy is something that the community votes on. We propose, we vote, THEN we implement. It’s a process that takes WEEKS, not DAYS. 3 - Something of this magnitude, implemented without community consensus, should have been left for JACK to implement IF he was serious.

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http://forums.wikihow.com/discussion/4803/any-super-template-experts-here this? Edit: Ha, didn’t see BR’s post above with the link - but yes, that’s where all this started from.

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Hm… I guess we’ll have to wait for Jack to clarify then. I don’t imagine he envisioned this making a stir… -wry smile-

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Yep. That’s the one that didn’t stand out as a policy change announcment… Zach, just FWIW, nfd reasons are taken very seriously as they are one of the key decision making documents that Admins go by. We all know and read them carefully as they carefully define what wikiHow is and what wikiHow isn’t. Some of the items have been very hotly contested by users and so we all really want to be very clear about them.